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		<title>Comment on Ike&#8217;s Lessons:  Who owns the beach? by Robert George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Houston and have friends who own homes on the coast. While I respect their rights to own the home I do not feel the public taxpayer should have to bear any burden for their folly. The homes were built right on the sand dunes and now are gone. Should I have to bear the burden of paying taxes to supplement the state wind insurance and flood insurance so the land owners along the coast can have affordable insurance. I think not. The state should mandate that no homes are to be rebuilt along this public domain and creat state parks that the entire public can enjoy. Build in areas away from the tidal surges to help protect life and property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Houston and have friends who own homes on the coast. While I respect their rights to own the home I do not feel the public taxpayer should have to bear any burden for their folly. The homes were built right on the sand dunes and now are gone. Should I have to bear the burden of paying taxes to supplement the state wind insurance and flood insurance so the land owners along the coast can have affordable insurance. I think not. The state should mandate that no homes are to be rebuilt along this public domain and creat state parks that the entire public can enjoy. Build in areas away from the tidal surges to help protect life and property.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8216;It&#8217;s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.&#8217; by Amanda</title>
		<link>http://greencomments.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/its-like-these-guys-take-pride-in-being-ignorant/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny cause its true :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny cause its true <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin on the Environment, II by gaj</title>
		<link>http://greencomments.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-on-the-environment-ii/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>gaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m supposed to be working right now...and I haven&#039;t had enough coffee yet...

&gt;&gt;Could it be caused primarily by solar activity? If there were detectable warming on Mars would that support this alternative theory?

No (definitely not primarily).  First off, the solar activity idea has been considered seriously by a number of scientists and rejected based on more appropriate analysis of the original data in the 1991 Science paper (done by the original authors) and by further work.  (For example, see http://www.edf.org/documents/5544_SolarActivity_One-pager.pdf for a brief explanation; there are a number of other new studies addressing this issue). 

&gt;&gt; How about prior warming trends when we had a significantly smaller carbon footprint? Would this indicate that the current warming is not man-made?

I don&#039;t know any scientists who deny that there were ever warming trends before, but the _rapidity_ of this warming, and the fact that it is accompanied by a significant change in atmostpheric chemistry, raises serious concerns.  We lack the technology (and, in most cases, the money) to examine climate proxies (e.g. ice cores, pollen records, tree-ring records) at a fine enough scale to precisely time previous warming events, but for now most evidence indicates that todays warming is faster than in recent earth history.

Regardless of how I feel about Gore&#039;s movie and about the politics surrounding global warming, I find his titile, &#039;An Incovenient Truth&#039;, to be quite telling in why there is so much skepticism about this.  People were happy to trust scientists over the ozone hole, when the only action required was changing their hair-spray and the delivery of their antiperspirant (yes, it was more complicated in industry, but nothing on the level of green energy).  But it is inconvenient to consider giving up oil revenues, cheap coal, heavy gas-powered engines...and suddenly there is doubt about the state of atmospheric science.  Instead of America rising to technological challenges, using adaptability to solve problems, there is a tremendous complacency in big business and politics.  I find that far more dangerous than pork barrel politics in science--which I think, like most pork, gets used in some good ways and some bad ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m supposed to be working right now&#8230;and I haven&#8217;t had enough coffee yet&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;Could it be caused primarily by solar activity? If there were detectable warming on Mars would that support this alternative theory?</p>
<p>No (definitely not primarily).  First off, the solar activity idea has been considered seriously by a number of scientists and rejected based on more appropriate analysis of the original data in the 1991 Science paper (done by the original authors) and by further work.  (For example, see <a href="http://www.edf.org/documents/5544_SolarActivity_One-pager.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.edf.org/documents/5544_SolarActivity_One-pager.pdf</a> for a brief explanation; there are a number of other new studies addressing this issue). </p>
<p>&gt;&gt; How about prior warming trends when we had a significantly smaller carbon footprint? Would this indicate that the current warming is not man-made?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know any scientists who deny that there were ever warming trends before, but the _rapidity_ of this warming, and the fact that it is accompanied by a significant change in atmostpheric chemistry, raises serious concerns.  We lack the technology (and, in most cases, the money) to examine climate proxies (e.g. ice cores, pollen records, tree-ring records) at a fine enough scale to precisely time previous warming events, but for now most evidence indicates that todays warming is faster than in recent earth history.</p>
<p>Regardless of how I feel about Gore&#8217;s movie and about the politics surrounding global warming, I find his titile, &#8216;An Incovenient Truth&#8217;, to be quite telling in why there is so much skepticism about this.  People were happy to trust scientists over the ozone hole, when the only action required was changing their hair-spray and the delivery of their antiperspirant (yes, it was more complicated in industry, but nothing on the level of green energy).  But it is inconvenient to consider giving up oil revenues, cheap coal, heavy gas-powered engines&#8230;and suddenly there is doubt about the state of atmospheric science.  Instead of America rising to technological challenges, using adaptability to solve problems, there is a tremendous complacency in big business and politics.  I find that far more dangerous than pork barrel politics in science&#8211;which I think, like most pork, gets used in some good ways and some bad ways.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin on the Environment, II by clancycross</title>
		<link>http://greencomments.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-on-the-environment-ii/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>clancycross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 02:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaj,

If in fact you have a Ph.D. in the physical sciences (and I have no reason to doubt you) you are certainly better positioned to make informed opinions about environmental matters than most people of any political party.  I respect your knowledge and your degree.  Still, I&#039;m sure you would agree that this does not give you a monopoly on informed thought.  I know for certain that I can find experienced and well educated scientists and engineers that take exception to much of the current thought about environmental issues.  I&#039;ve worked with a bunch of them for many years.  Some specialize in the environmental sciences.

The truth is that we really don&#039;t fully understand what is causing the current warming pattern or how long it will continue.  Could it be caused primarily by solar activity?   If there were detectable warming on Mars would that support this alternative theory?  How about prior warming trends when we had a significantly smaller carbon footprint?  Would this indicate that the current warming is not man-made?  It seems quite apparent to me that some things don&#039;t add up.  And since we&#039;ve been through other pseudo crises in the past (e.g. the overpopulation scare in the 60&#039;s and 70&#039;s) I am highly suspicious of man-made global warming.

Another aspect of the issue is that we don&#039;t completely understand how much warming is required to be harmful.  In other words, a certain amount of climate change may not be a bad thing.  We have computer model predictions, but these are not the same as knowing the potential impact.

I am not against research to develop solutions to known problems.  It would be irresponsible to not do so.  What I am against is the growing politicization of science.  This is a huge problem because it&#039;s leading to bad policy and inefficient use of our national resources.  To better understand what I&#039;m trying to say in a few words, you might want to check out  &quot;Science Funding -- Politics &amp; Porkbarrel&quot; by Joseph P. Martino (ISBN 1-56000-033-3).

Just one man&#039;s opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaj,</p>
<p>If in fact you have a Ph.D. in the physical sciences (and I have no reason to doubt you) you are certainly better positioned to make informed opinions about environmental matters than most people of any political party.  I respect your knowledge and your degree.  Still, I&#8217;m sure you would agree that this does not give you a monopoly on informed thought.  I know for certain that I can find experienced and well educated scientists and engineers that take exception to much of the current thought about environmental issues.  I&#8217;ve worked with a bunch of them for many years.  Some specialize in the environmental sciences.</p>
<p>The truth is that we really don&#8217;t fully understand what is causing the current warming pattern or how long it will continue.  Could it be caused primarily by solar activity?   If there were detectable warming on Mars would that support this alternative theory?  How about prior warming trends when we had a significantly smaller carbon footprint?  Would this indicate that the current warming is not man-made?  It seems quite apparent to me that some things don&#8217;t add up.  And since we&#8217;ve been through other pseudo crises in the past (e.g. the overpopulation scare in the 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s) I am highly suspicious of man-made global warming.</p>
<p>Another aspect of the issue is that we don&#8217;t completely understand how much warming is required to be harmful.  In other words, a certain amount of climate change may not be a bad thing.  We have computer model predictions, but these are not the same as knowing the potential impact.</p>
<p>I am not against research to develop solutions to known problems.  It would be irresponsible to not do so.  What I am against is the growing politicization of science.  This is a huge problem because it&#8217;s leading to bad policy and inefficient use of our national resources.  To better understand what I&#8217;m trying to say in a few words, you might want to check out  &#8220;Science Funding &#8212; Politics &amp; Porkbarrel&#8221; by Joseph P. Martino (ISBN 1-56000-033-3).</p>
<p>Just one man&#8217;s opinion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin on the Environment, II by gaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a Ph.D. in the physical sciences, I think I have a fairly good grasp on the sound science of global warming...clearly, better than many of the Republicans currently creating the fiction to put on their party platform.  And if you read the medical literature on the health effects of pollution created by vehicles, power plants, and other pollution, you will see that there are deaths caused directly and indirectly by our dependence on oil.  I think that those who claim to be &quot;pro-life&quot; but don&#039;t protect living people...those who have been born...are tremendously hypocritical.  Neither party is pro-life by my standards, but one party seems far more interested in the actual health of the both the world and the inhabitants of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a Ph.D. in the physical sciences, I think I have a fairly good grasp on the sound science of global warming&#8230;clearly, better than many of the Republicans currently creating the fiction to put on their party platform.  And if you read the medical literature on the health effects of pollution created by vehicles, power plants, and other pollution, you will see that there are deaths caused directly and indirectly by our dependence on oil.  I think that those who claim to be &#8220;pro-life&#8221; but don&#8217;t protect living people&#8230;those who have been born&#8230;are tremendously hypocritical.  Neither party is pro-life by my standards, but one party seems far more interested in the actual health of the both the world and the inhabitants of it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sarah Palin on the Environment, II by clancycross</title>
		<link>http://greencomments.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/sarah-palin-on-the-environment-ii/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>clancycross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether she is a good choice only time will tell.  But, let&#039;s be careful about connecting a black and white issue like abortion ( a baby is either dead or not) with environmental issues.  The earth and its inhabitants are more robust than is implied by your statements.  Sure, too much pollution can cause health issues.  However, it is a stretch to assume, as you seem to imply, that advocating ways to increase supply as a means to lower prices and reduce independence on foreign markets will produce health consequences on par with what happens to an aborted (read: &quot;dead&quot;) baby. 

Secondly, your objection to her doubts about man-made global warming are something you better get used to.  As science and common sense eventually overtake political correctness, man-made global warming will be recognized for what it is, just another Chicken Little story.

Protecting the environment needs to be based on sensibility and sound science rather than irrationality, panic and political agendas. 

That&#039;s my two-cents worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether she is a good choice only time will tell.  But, let&#8217;s be careful about connecting a black and white issue like abortion ( a baby is either dead or not) with environmental issues.  The earth and its inhabitants are more robust than is implied by your statements.  Sure, too much pollution can cause health issues.  However, it is a stretch to assume, as you seem to imply, that advocating ways to increase supply as a means to lower prices and reduce independence on foreign markets will produce health consequences on par with what happens to an aborted (read: &#8220;dead&#8221;) baby. </p>
<p>Secondly, your objection to her doubts about man-made global warming are something you better get used to.  As science and common sense eventually overtake political correctness, man-made global warming will be recognized for what it is, just another Chicken Little story.</p>
<p>Protecting the environment needs to be based on sensibility and sound science rather than irrationality, panic and political agendas. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s my two-cents worth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Palin and the Environment by Derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Greenpeace did a background check on her and found that she is a proponent to drill in the the Arctic National Wildlife Refugee as well as the offshore habitat for polar bears and beluga whales, whom she also opposed to listing.

She also in agreement to bring gold &amp; copper mines to southwest Alaska.  These mines would be positioned in such a way that they would release toxic chemicals into Bristol Bay, which just happens to be Americas most productive salmon fishery.

Palin may turn out to be the greatest thing that ever happened to America.  Through no fault of her own -- she has supplied John McCain with the hypocritical notion that will jetison Obama into the White House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Greenpeace did a background check on her and found that she is a proponent to drill in the the Arctic National Wildlife Refugee as well as the offshore habitat for polar bears and beluga whales, whom she also opposed to listing.</p>
<p>She also in agreement to bring gold &amp; copper mines to southwest Alaska.  These mines would be positioned in such a way that they would release toxic chemicals into Bristol Bay, which just happens to be Americas most productive salmon fishery.</p>
<p>Palin may turn out to be the greatest thing that ever happened to America.  Through no fault of her own &#8212; she has supplied John McCain with the hypocritical notion that will jetison Obama into the White House.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boehner takes vacation from golfing to criticize others on vacation by gaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little attention to the post, rather than just raving, would have shown that the problem is not Boehner doing whatever he wants on his vacation, the problem is that Boehner pretends to be working on problems to lower gas prices...when he is golfing.  Hypocrite, plain and simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little attention to the post, rather than just raving, would have shown that the problem is not Boehner doing whatever he wants on his vacation, the problem is that Boehner pretends to be working on problems to lower gas prices&#8230;when he is golfing.  Hypocrite, plain and simple.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Boehner takes vacation from golfing to criticize others on vacation by Joss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, how dare Boehner use part of the break forced upon Congress by Nancy Pelosi to raise money for Republicans. Can you believe the nerve? Why couldn&#039;t he do something more legit like go on a book tour?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, how dare Boehner use part of the break forced upon Congress by Nancy Pelosi to raise money for Republicans. Can you believe the nerve? Why couldn&#8217;t he do something more legit like go on a book tour?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Offshore Drilling:  An old, unsuccessful idea by gaj</title>
		<link>http://greencomments.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/offshore-drilling-an-old-unsuccessful-idea/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>gaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of the article &#039;Drill Here, Drill Now&#039; fails to address the economics of off-shore drilling.  Plus, he claims to be against energy subsidies of any kind, but the oil industry is subsidized by everything from business allowances for big oil, cheap leases of public land to extractors, to the actions of our military.  The major arguements against off-shore drilling these days are not environmental, although there is a big difference between concentrated oil spills (many of which affect coastal regions, which are high in productivity compared to the deep ocean--important for fisheries and for tourism) and the natural ooze of oil.  The major arguements are that (a) it is not a short-term, or even a long-term, solution to high gas prices and (b) it allows us to artificially float by for another couple years without confronting the reality that oil is a limited natural resource and we cannot even assume that it is viable for another 100 years--especially not at our current consumption rate, much less increased consumption rates that one might expect with a growing population and increased consumption by developing countries.  Allowing off-shore drilling without making substantive changes to our dependence on oil is a lazy (non)solution to the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of the article &#8216;Drill Here, Drill Now&#8217; fails to address the economics of off-shore drilling.  Plus, he claims to be against energy subsidies of any kind, but the oil industry is subsidized by everything from business allowances for big oil, cheap leases of public land to extractors, to the actions of our military.  The major arguements against off-shore drilling these days are not environmental, although there is a big difference between concentrated oil spills (many of which affect coastal regions, which are high in productivity compared to the deep ocean&#8211;important for fisheries and for tourism) and the natural ooze of oil.  The major arguements are that (a) it is not a short-term, or even a long-term, solution to high gas prices and (b) it allows us to artificially float by for another couple years without confronting the reality that oil is a limited natural resource and we cannot even assume that it is viable for another 100 years&#8211;especially not at our current consumption rate, much less increased consumption rates that one might expect with a growing population and increased consumption by developing countries.  Allowing off-shore drilling without making substantive changes to our dependence on oil is a lazy (non)solution to the problem.</p>
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